Comments on: Computers will revolutionize education?

By: John Moravec

John Moravec — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:24:03 +0000

Who says technology can’t be humanistic?

By: C. Tschofen

C. Tschofen — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:31:51 +0000

I’ve seen what Brynja’s seen, and that raises questions about the definition of “teaching,” which is often a teacher-centric, rather than student-centric activity, in spite of desires and rhetoric to the contrary. The role of teachers as information delivery systems is really ingrained, and even those trying to overcome this get whacked down with the “accountablilty” and “standards” rhetoric.

The idea that students know more than teachers about technology– yes and no. The critical use and assessment of technology resources and connectivist processes are still pretty nebulous skills for most folks.

In terms of embedded worldview, there’s a parallel/convergent mood on Clay Burell’s site:

“I feel a pull to pull back from the tools, and gravitate more toward meaning … I’m really much more interested in thinking critically about cultural factors that retard education than I am about tools that, used retardedly, enable us to learn conventional unwisdoms more efficiently. In other words, I want to fight the idols of the mind that we worship instead of question.”

And as to human capital development… haven’t had enough coffee yet But there’s something mulling about how the techno-centric driver for this question means that I can’t quite embrace it without at least some humanistic boilerplate.

By: Brynja Gudjonsson

Brynja Gudjonsson — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:29:18 +0000

P.S. Love the pic of the Commodores.

By: Brynja Gudjonsson

Brynja Gudjonsson — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:27:08 +0000

I have frequently interacted with teachers in schools and found that their personal technological knowledge is limited, so how can the computer be a tool when the classroom leader cannot operate the tool? Teachers have talked about how they limit the use of internet as a research tool and I have yet to encounter a highschool teacher that teaches the students how to use Write and Excel programs or how to distinguish a good internet source from a bad one. Teachers often lament the fact that Word keeps the students from learning how to spell words, yet I have learned how to spell words more accurately because of the spell check.
The fault does not lie with the technology, since as is mentioned above technology is a tool, but with the inability of schools and education to keep up with the time. Really who can fault teachers who spend endless hours reporting on student progress, to administrations, to parents and students, who can now access their scores, grades and whatnot from their phones if they like. Where do teachers find the time to learn about and implement technology in the classroom.
Even at the higher ed level, where I provide ed tech support I spend hours convincing people that technology can be useful, not too much work and beneficial to their teaching.
Another thought is that students most likely know a great deal more about computers, internet and other technology tools than the teacher, so who would want to put him or herself in a position of the learner when faced with a room full of children or teens.

I agree with the babysitting notion and wonder how much worse it will get before it gets better for students and teachers?

By: John Moravec

John Moravec — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:33:46 +0000

I agree with Carmen on why computers haven’t worked in education. I feel that the problem is that little consideration has been given to the purposive use of computers in education. In fact, perhaps we should forget about “education” altogether, and refocus on using technologies for human capital development. With this change of focus, what new purposes might computing technologies serve?

By: C. Tschofen

C. Tschofen — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:10:53 +0000

One theme I keep hearing in floating the “we won’t/don’t need schools” proposition is the fear, among many others, of unleashing or not addressing what people see as the otherwise (arguably) contained social ills our current educational settings are called upon to “solve.” It’s easy to get impatient with the “babysitting” function of schools in light of all the current and future potential for meaningful education, but I have to wonder if the education futures discussion has to have a more concrete response to these concerns in order to realize its full, leapfroggy potential… and I sure don’t have one. And I’m not the first to posit that the reason computers in schools haven’t caused an education revolution is that a.) they’re in schools and b.) computers do not equal education– they’re tools/elements in a system, albeit potentially revolutionarily enabling tools/elements. Entrenched/unexamined worldviews on the process, goals and even definition of education, with or without technology, seem to be more the issue.

By: John Moravec

John Moravec — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:33:46 +0000

By: C. Tschofen

C. Tschofen — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:10:53 +0000

By: Toby

Toby — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:02:36 +0000

“Does the future need schools?” – No.

Does the future need computers? – No.